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D Mello s, Mangalore/Kuwait
11/05/2012 16:17:20

Vow! Alston Gomes, Well done!!! Its gr8 to see u peforming. Talented Junior Musician.

Ajith Shetty, Padubelle/ Ahmedabad
11/05/2012 04:23:14

This is total mistake of Grama Panchyath ruling congress people. They don t know what work is going on in our village. I think this work is not done in a day night. I know this canal is very important at rainy season. I advice to Grama Panchayat President first clean this canal, rain water smoothly flow on this.This term Grama Panchayat ruling people is totally waste.

virginia fernandes, Thane
11/05/2012 02:52:10

sorry to hear of the death of Fr. Rufus. I remembered you before your birthday. Please interceed for me since you are with Jesus and Mother Mary. Pl send me your blessings from above and free me from financial bondage for i know this will happen even though you are not on earth since you will be interceeding for me from above and sending me the blessings i need through the intercession of Mother Mary and Jesus who are near to you.

Ted, Mangalore
11/05/2012 00:13:14

Francisco De Jasso y Azpilicueta or St.Francis Xavier “The Co-founder of the Society of Jesus, as we know him today requested the foundation of the Goa Inquisition .On May 16, 1545, Xavier wrote to John III The King of Portugal to establish the Inquisition in Goa which resulted in persecution of millions of Hindus, Jews, Goan Christians, Muslims, Syrian Christians, Knanaya people Suppression of Konkani. This will remain as a Dark Chapter in the history of Mangalorean Christians which we are not proud of.

Rony Lobo, Belthangady / Abu Dhabi
10/05/2012 12:40:28

Well done Alphonse Bab. Well appreciated your efforts to narrate the information of our history, culture and our language.

Prakash Noronha, Pamboor Doha Qatar
10/05/2012 11:38:10

Dear Alphonse,
Good article I appriciate your efforts to write about our History.All the best.

Jerald Q, Pangla/ Kuwait
10/05/2012 06:55:10

Nice to know our history.
Hats-off to you Mr. Alphonse.

Monica Valdar, Loretto-Dubai
10/05/2012 06:15:35

Thank you for this very informative and well organized write-up! Congratulations Alphonse..God Bless.

sharon, moodubelle/Dubai
10/05/2012 05:22:39

Mr.Hemphil and shekar ,i have seen you all only targetting congress leader panchayath officials that is what i feel .If you read this report it is clearly written the job was jointly conducted by Taluk Jilla panchayath and it is nothing to do with Belle panchayath that is wha i understood from this report.now Mr.Hemphil in Taluk panchayath

Philip Mudartha, Qatar
10/05/2012 02:19:37

1. TP and ZP are BJP controlled; Belle GP is Congress controlled.
2. The rival parties are not co-operating even at Tier-3 levels, in vilation of PRI related laws.
3. While democracy thrives on polarities, such rivalry is not healthy. Villagers must teach them a lesson in Lokh-hith (public interest)
4. The pciture shows the cement pipes are placed ALONG the stream, not ACROSS. The thodd (stream) may overflow or not will depend on the accuracy of design calculations made by engineer and approved by PDO. I am sure the engineer did not collect any input data from local villagers. Ida and Hebbar may impress upon the PDO to make this obligatory before approving designs for public tender.
5. Private property may have been encroached upon. Mendonca and Alva families know more than me about that. In that is so, they have rights under Fundamental right to property.
If my long distance undertsanding of this issue is not what the real issue is, I would be delighted to hear the other point of view.

Philip Mudartha, Qatar
10/05/2012 01:45:23

I accessed the detailed report on schemes with applicant-friendly guidelines to avail them on Vartabharati. Since Belle Jerald Fernandes and Gladys Almeida were present in this press conference, it is my hope that they will see to it that the genuinely eligible poor needy will be selected to benefit. They shall ensure that no funds will be diverted or misused.

vivian, dubai
10/05/2012 00:38:10

Nice to hear that you are planning to translate this history in Konkani also....THank u so much..

Leo Victor, Hubli/Mangalore
10/05/2012 00:31:40

Good Information, as I can see many doubts exists by some of the people, if you can clarify the same. Really it would be a great piece of work Uncle.

Benedict Noronha, Udupi
10/05/2012 00:14:57

Very nice. I felt like participated in the camp. Rejoiced with Fr. Paul and Fr. Lancy, ( me thinks, they were like small children with the children) to give new philip to the spirit of the camp. Childern might have enjoyed well. I remember when we at Udupi organised 15 days Camp for children unde the Don Bosco Club. What a great Idea it was then. Dr Eugine has mamde it so meaning ful. Praise the Lord.

Shekhar, Udupi
09/05/2012 23:51:35

What a reply from Panchayath office leaders. How come they unaware of these works, when the government works executed under their jurisdiction.When govt bodies undertaking such work they should made publish the details of the project, so that public will come to know about the project. When the tax payers money is wasted like this, the govt officials should make accountable for these type of things.

Alphonse Mendonsa, Pangla/Abu Dhabi
09/05/2012 22:56:45

Dear Bellevision Readers,

Good morning to you all. I am happy to see a large number of readers reading this article and also happy to note that may have applauded my efforts and a few have put in their views. I have said in the beginning that I am touching only on subject of Mangalorean Konkani Catholics and have put in only a few reasons for their escape. Yes I am aware of other konkani community who also fled, others remained in Goa and many other Christians converted by St. Thomas. But it would be a too much subject to touch upon now but eventually will be discussed when I get more addl info and knowledge on this article. Secondly, the loads of records of Catholic history was destroyed during Tippu s raid on our churches and what we have is history available through many other sources like some historians, Letters passed between Gen. Mathews to East India Company and Tippu s letters to Gen. Mathews and Heads of Clergy at that time. I am also planning to translate this history in Konkani once I get more realistic facts from our authors, readers, novelist etc.. THANKS ALL AND PLZ WAIT FOR MY SECOND PART....

Alphonse, Pangla

Ronald Sabi, Udupi
09/05/2012 14:55:35

Where is the danger? Roads there are much better than Udupi, mangalore Kaup! Their MLA are doing better job than sleeping ones of ours!!

HEMPHIL DUBAI, UDUPI
09/05/2012 14:27:32

SHARON MOODUBELLE,ITS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND COZ THESE ALL LATEST DEVELOPMENT FROM OUR LOVELY KANGRESS LEADERS.ALL MONEY GONE TO OWN ACCOUNT NOW OLAGINA GUTTU SHIVANE BALLA.....JAI HO KARNATAKA MATHE...JAI HO INDIA.....

G.W.Carlo, Hassan
09/05/2012 13:15:41

Dear Alphonse,
Though your article is very informative, I have some doubts regarding the Konkani language spoken by the Saraswat and Mangalorean Catholics. Are we decendent of different parts of Goa? Otherwise, why so much difference? Because of Portuguese influence Goan Konkani may be diffferent, but, Saraswats and Mangalorean Catholic Konkani should have been similar, isn\ t it?

Jossie Pinto, Kuwait
09/05/2012 11:13:58

Good article Alphonse.....keep it up and all the best

Philip Mudartha, Qatar
09/05/2012 07:49:40

In any case, were these Christians belonged to Gnostic tradition or any other tradition not sanctioned by canonical law at that time? Did Jesuits get their orders to re-convert them in Goa?
11. If indeed all KSMC are descendants of returnees from Captivity, then is it right to argue that Catholic Church has not evangelized Konkani Speaking Hindus or Muslims since 212 years. Then who are being converted? And what is the political storm about conversions?

If our ancestors suffered due to political assoications of our clergy and not due to faith alone, then are we not going to get hurt today also, if clergy is directing our political affiliations. What lessons do we learn from our history?

Philip Mudartha, Qatar
09/05/2012 07:46:42

the migrants eventually converted due to reasons other than state-enforced conversions? 7. Is it possible that the southward migration through Kanara was gradual and in stages, over generations due to pressure on land and resources? 8. Is it possible that some arrived in South Kanara and Malabar as Hindus and were converted by missionaries in their new homes? 9. Vasco da Gama had arrived in Calicut, St. Mary's Islands in Udupi and also in Goa. How come, the missionaries belonging to his nationality, especially Jesuits, were kind to let Eastern Orthodox Church of St. Thomas survive and thrive in Kerala, and not kind with Konkani speaking Goan Christians if they were Early Christians (of St. Bartholomew) era? Why were they bent upon making our ancestors eat pork, give up traditional clothes and dance to their music, while they did not bother with Malayalam or Marathi Speaking Christians? 10. If St. Thomas or St. Bartholomew or any of eleven disciples of Jesus and several disciples of these disciples or through their trader agents did establish Christianity in India, along the coast, could this be a sea-based effort? Or is it Fars origin land-route effort? In any case, ..

Philip Mudartha, Qatar
09/05/2012 07:45:24

1. Are we, today's Konkani Speaking Mangalorean Catholics (KSMC), exclusively the descendants from survivors of Captivity by Tipu Sultan, as genealogist Lobo claims? 2. Did Tipu capture only KSMC exclusively? Why did he not capture Protestants and Eastern Orthodox Church people? The latter should be hand-in-glove with English more than the Jesuits controlled KSMC. 3. Bishops during1560-1784 for KSMC must have been Jesuits of Spanish, Portuguese or Italian origin. Since Inquisition was enforced through papal bull, are we saying that these Bishops disobeyed Pope in Kanara? In Goa they behaved differently? 4. If the first wave Goan Catholics migrants be to flee inquisition, were these a rebel minority who did not agree to give up their Hindu ways? Why did majority stay back and support the Portuguese in the wars against Mughals and Marathas? 5. If they fled to protect Konkani, how come Konkani survived the Portuguese, Marathas and Mughals in Goa? If so, the entire population should have fled except the Bishops and Clergy because almost everyone in Goa spoke Konkani at that time. 6. Is it possible that they were all Hindus when they fled Goa? Is it possible that among the ..

Alister, mangalore
09/05/2012 03:46:33

Interesting Read. Looks like you have done quite some research for this. Awaiting for part 2 :)

Austin Pinto, Muscat
09/05/2012 02:38:41

Please read Desaantar Thaun Bandhadek “ Karavali Karnatakantle Konkani Kristanv (From Migration to Captivity ” The Konkani Christians - from Fr.Fidelis Pinto

DONY LOBO, MILAGRES, DOHA,QATAR
09/05/2012 02:25:32

Brilliantly narrated in simple English language and should be easy for everyone to grasp the information. I am now looking forward for the 2nd edition. Incidentally my ancestors “ both from my Mother's side and Father's side were among the few who returned from the captivity of Tippu Sultan¦.and they had walked all the way back from Seringapatnam. These returnees families were known as PONGO MENEZ family. Some of the descendants include well known names like Octavia Albuqurque, Noel Mascarenhas of Dubai and others. However there is one little contribution I would like to make¦which was based on a study made by my old great college lecturer Mr.J.M.Rebello. He mentioned that St.Thomas when he arrived in India, he certainly would have brought with him a large number of associates and their families. And he would certainly have traveled all along maintaining close distance to the shorelines of the countries he would have passed ¦.viz, Iran, Pakistan and India., and he would have landed in India alongside the Gujerath coast. And as he traveled further down the coastline, that would have been present day Surat, Mumbai, Ratnagiri, Goa, Karwar, Mangalore, Calicut, Cochin, Trivandrum and thereafter to Madras, he may have converted thousands of natives and may have built small churches all along the coastline. The Cross of Nilambur in Kerala is even now believed to be erected by St.Thomas himself. Even in Qatar we have a famous doctor (Dr.Mohan Thomas) whose ancestors Namboodris were supposed to be among the first converts of St.Thomas himself. May be the local chieftains and also subsequent invaders may have destroyed most of these churches. Even St.Thomas himself was martyred in Madras and his Tomb with his mortal remains are still there in the underground of San Thome Basilica. The ancient hill-top church of Batim in Goa is also believed to be originally constructed by St.Thomas himself (or by his close followers).

Wilson D Cunha, Permude/Kuwait
09/05/2012 00:43:22

Well written Alphones dhattu, Nice to read your article, Keep writing, may god bless you!!!!!!!!!

Benedict Noronha, Udupi
08/05/2012 23:45:05

Congratulations dear Alphonse for giving the brief history. I have glanced through and could not read fully. I will preserve it and read later. But do not forget to cover the CORRUPTION part previling in the Church AND BLACK MONEY playing its part, which has affected the church very badly. There have beccome a number of prayer groups and also scandalise the theme of prayer and collecting money. Grace Ministry is in news. Read Raknno Paper through internet. Jesus saif " if he is doing our work, do not stop... He is not against us is for Us(?. so why hate?). Please also extract the information as to formation of Udupi Diocese and please donot ask for records but hae your own way of research. I will preserve your essay. It is a great venture. Well done. Keep it up.

sharon, moodubelle/Bnagalore
08/05/2012 14:28:41

coudnt understand this issue .can anyone explain?

Mervin D\ souza, Belman / Abudhabi
08/05/2012 13:59:39

Kudos to Mr. Alphonse Mendonsa for this excellent article about our history, culture and struggle to keep konkani language alive by our ancestors though they sacrificed their lives.Feeling proud about my roots and for being a manglorean catholic for the rich heritage that we share. Eagerly waiting for the second part to get published.

Philip Mudartha, Qatar
08/05/2012 10:48:23

The subject, widely researched, conjectured, written about and passed down as oral tradition is vast as well as yields to interpretations and controversies. History is like that.
In my childhood, I used to sit around elder men like my great-grandfather downwards and uncles to hear orally our traditional stories passed from generations for 400 odd years. I think most of it is hearsay and not facts. While in college and later in Mumbai, I befriended VGP Saldanha (Khadap), Cha-fra, and a few others to hear their accounts and also read some dilapidated manuscripts lying in the tower vault of St. Aloysius College. After internet and email arrived in Qatar (1997 onward), sharing and accessing additional information became easier than before. To cut it short, the author has done a service to all of us, and novices in the history of Kanarites, who should pay more interest to their roots.
However, from this historical perspective, lessons should be drawn. We should not take the chronological recounting as cast in concrete facts..
There are some questions I am still searching for answers, on thi ssubject, which I take liberty to post separately..God willing.

Suresh Poojari, Udupi / Bangalore
08/05/2012 09:07:16

I would like to give a big compliment to Mr Ashok M Suvarna for taking up such a Great responsible and also since he s taken up this president role he been drastially improving temple and also Billava community. We all salute him for the kind of improvement he s done and also taking such a big project to renewate the temple. Mr Ashok M Suvarna is the most respectable and also very well know person and he s is the person. All I can say that he s doing marvelous job for his community and also helping people.

Donald Pinto, Chickmaglur
08/05/2012 08:41:50

very good Alphi bab.. Excellent waiting to read.. coming part..

Anil Menezes, Bahrain
08/05/2012 07:32:30

Thanks Sir for such a good read on our history, which I knew only in parts. Looking forward to the second part. Thanks to bellevision for publishing such articles and giving freedom of thought to the writers.
I am also eagerly awaiting for some articles to be published on any websites regarding Significance and History of celebrating annual church parish feasts, because today the real meaning of parish feasts are not handed over to the younger generation. If anyone has such an article, please share it with all.

Sthita, Bangalore
08/05/2012 06:52:12

@Robin Grt buddy...Congrats..

Anil, Abu Dhabi/Mangalore
08/05/2012 05:51:01

thks for the info.

Dolphy Dmello, Pangala/Shankerpura
08/05/2012 05:34:56

Great jobbbbbbbbb !!!.
Alps keep it up

Deepika, Surathkal
08/05/2012 04:10:41

wonderful pictures.congradulations

Leena Mendonsa, Shankerpura
08/05/2012 03:57:38

Nice article Alphonse.I appriciate your efforts to narrate this article.keep it up. all the best.

Felcita, Shirva,Kuwait
08/05/2012 03:22:23

Excellent article with our history. Awating for the second part

Anil, Dubai
08/05/2012 02:54:13

Great work Alphonse! You have put together what we knew half in bits and pieces. Looking forward to the next part. Would be interesting to know anyone of the Canara Catholics managed to avoid captivity and any of the books on history have a mention of it? May be the ban on konkani by portugese could be one and Tipu s captivity is the other reason for the sorry state of konkani language today. After all this trials and tribulations it is our ancestor s sacrifice that konkani is still alive.

Francis J. Saldanha, Moodubelle / Bahrain
08/05/2012 02:50:16

Each and every sport teaches you how to behave in a crunch situation and in difficult circumstances. Taking advantage of the situation and neglecting rules and regulations and trying to get undue favor and committing security breach in a high profile security area, only meant for Cricket players is big offence. So Kudos to Karnataka Police for teaching a lesson to the cricketer’s wife….

Arun Noronha, Pangla/Kuwait
08/05/2012 02:44:01

Thanks a million Alphonse for this great work...I can very well imagine the pain that our and ancestors and parents have gone through to keep our faith, language and culture alive.

Francis J. Saldanha, Moodubelle / Bahrain
08/05/2012 02:10:35

Well written and thoroughly researched article on the history of the Roman Catholics of Mangalore
Keep up your good work Dear Mr. A. Mendonsa! Lovely pictures, God bless you always.

Vivian Fernandes, dubai
08/05/2012 01:31:17

Very well Narrated ...waiting for the second part...

Mario Braganza, Thane
08/05/2012 00:41:22

Kudos! Nicely done! Impatiently waiting for part 2

Manoj Menzes, Shirva/Abu Dhabi
08/05/2012 00:39:41

Excellent article Aphonse. Keep writing and look forward for the next part. Thank you bellevision for publising it.

Ronald Sabi, Moodubelle
07/05/2012 14:59:27

Great history and the article! Keep it up Alphonse! Looking forward for the second part....

Naveen Mendonca, Pamboor / Bahrain
07/05/2012 10:04:45

Good article and beautiful pictures of Cherry Tomatoes grown by Francis Saldanha. Few weeks ago I had been to his garden it was wonderful to see varieties of vegetables flowers grown in his garden. Well done.

C.E.Warren, Andheri(E)- Mumbai
07/05/2012 06:46:27

Extremely sad to hear the untimely demise of Rev.Fr.Rufus. My heart felt condolence to his entire fraternity. May your soul rest in peace in the beloved arms of Jesus Mother Mary. Please intercede on our behalf by sending divine blessings from above. Rest in Peace.

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